Combining CBD with a proper diet
Dan Humiston: [00:00:06] For too many years families have children with devastating illnesses felt helpless as they watched their child suffer. Today they're taking matters into their own hands. and finally finding relief. Treating their child with cannabis. This is one family's story.
Nina Simmons & Osiris Stephen: [00:00:29] Welcome to another episode. Love and cannabis I am Nina Simone and I am also Stefan and we are the proud parents of a snap.
Osiris Stephen: [00:00:41] What are you talking about in reference to meal planning dieting. I don't like to use the word died because of the fact that the idea of dieting kind of gives you this perception that OK everything is control it is and it isn't but when you deal with a child like when our situation as you think about you're dealing with a two and a half three year old who's going through some challenges you know with the epilepsy. So there are things that you may think that he may or may not eat but fortunate for us that we had gotten started early in his diet is meal planning I'm sorry is meal planning was that when he was a year and a half when he was able to start chewing food I was preparing most of all because I was a stay at home dad at the time and so I would basically make all his spinach his broccoli his fruits water and he didn't drink juice I mean we've barely given juice because he really wasn't a fan of juice but he drank water and definitely breastfed he was breastfed till this is two and a half.
Osiris Stephen: [00:01:41] I was very supportive of that idea and there was a lot that went into that. It wasn't just a matter of him having breast milk prepared.
Osiris Stephen: [00:01:50] There was a whole factor that came into that that I will get into that in a minute but prepare his daily meals was an undertaking and what was fortunate for us is the fact that I was going through my own health issues at the time so I was responsible basically for the food shopping I was responsible for Mason making home so it was a role reversal as you can say and I went into the idea like OK I need to lose weight by the same time I need to get my family healthy. So I went through all the cabinet did an inventory of the cabinets what was in the cabinets What food did we did eat or what we didn't eat and what we didn't need to have in our menu. So I decided that you know what. So everything I was stuff from scratch my wife was like thought I was crazy you know Nina thought I was like out of my mind when I did that but I was like We gotta start from scratch because there's things that we just not paying attention to because we're accustomed to getting it when I think we started gaining a habit because of our work schedule of just buying food that was convened and fast but yet not healthy a real lack them you know nutrition the value test did. So you know it was all those things that you know it was like hey we can eat up quick in but I think because that situation it also helped us to be mindful of the food we eat. And now with our son and his situation that really helped us really understand like food really is a key part in our overall wellness. That being said one of the things that we were introduced was the Kino Jenny diet through our dietitian. We were working with at the time which Nina can get into in more details. But before doing that there was some concern that aspects of our whole planning which was a chance for me to deal with and which was during the breastfeeding time.
Osiris Stephen: [00:03:39] So I don't mean to go off you know off schedule as you say in reference to our podcast but as a man you know there were times where you felt like hey you know to sit here to have.
Osiris Stephen: [00:03:52] No seriously no no seriously let's be serious because as a man. There were times where you come home you're ready to breastfeed you're swollen and I'm sitting there like hey I'm here. But all that was for him. So it was you.
Osiris Stephen: [00:04:08] It was challenging as a man to see that but understanding later what that meant and what you were going through your body so knowing that I was like OK.
Osiris Stephen: [00:04:16] had been supportive I had to be more you know think of the family as more than this the male individual needs and passions desires where that your body at the time was not meant for that.
Osiris Stephen: [00:04:30] It was meant for taking care of Aiden.
Osiris Stephen: [00:04:32] It was for feeding and nourishing him. It's not just man of a pleasure or just feeling my needs or aunties.
Osiris Stephen: [00:04:40] But it was more or less again taking care of it.
Osiris Stephen: [00:04:43] And so this whole thing that we were going through was really new to us. You know with this our first time being parents is our first child. And so there was a lot of things that you know as we're going through we just needed to understand and at the time it was a challenge. It was just that because we had overcome especially from a male perspective there was things I had to overcome. And now was my own personal needs over the family especially my son and his development aid him that.
Osiris Stephen: [00:05:11] So yes men for you men out there who are looking to become parents you know become a father. There are some things that you're going to face and that you're gonna have to put aside and help support your wife as you go through this stage. But to go back to Nina and the keynote authentic day and what we dealt and what we face with that.
Nina Simmons: [00:05:32] Ok. So we in when we were trying to get the sweet sweet spot in terms of his dosing we did try this thing called the keynote a diet and he's become very popular for people right now when they're trying to lose weight. I see a lot. It was a they lost 30 pounds on this diet however is used a lot and the epilepsy community to help with seizures. So when you have a child and you want to start the keynote and die with them at first you need your doctor's approval you need to get a prescription for your doctor and then you'll go to a certified ketogenic nutritionists there's going to Tricia's is certified in administering and guiding patients on this diet. We went to the doctors this nutritionist and she basically start us off and she did a different ratio. You can start off so it is a 4 to 1 3 to 1.
Nina Simmons: [00:06:27] Affordable it basically what the ratio means is basically the amount of fat to protein a carbohydrate. So Aiden's got off on a four to one ratio which means four percent of his meal had to be fat and then the rest the one had to be either protein a carbohydrate.
Nina Simmons: [00:06:49] So basically the science behind this is unclear. Somehow it really really helps for a lot of kids. It really works. It change is life changing and they still don't really know like the research doesn't really know why. The theory is that your body's now working on fat versus sugar so it just basically fat is a better fuel for the brain than sugar is.
Nina Simmons: [00:07:18] So they're they're saying that's why the seizures mitigate with that. So basically it's like putting the premium gas vs. you know the regular I don't know this at all really no but like I said it has been life changing for a lot of kids. So with eight and we said you know what. Let's do this. You'll find when your child is sick you'll do anything literally anything to make them feel better. So we did it. We got a scale child to my parents. My parents got a scale. So basically you have to measure everything. So we were there measuring fruits. We were measuring bread basically breads Mishkin not all but he can have a little bit. We're measuring meat so everything has to be so precise on this diet that we went nuts. We were looking at labels like in a different way.
Nina Simmons: [00:08:12] We were like oh man this has this much carbs and. This has this much carbs fruit fruit has so much carbs. Who knew.
Nina Simmons: [00:08:20] You know we find out that strawberries has the least amount of carbohydrates so when he died he was able to have more sugar strawberries than he could have a banana. Bananas are basically off limits. So we did that. We measured everything we did to diet. For about six months. And that means we basically couldn't go out to eat. We actually did go on vacation and the time we were on the day and my parents did the diet to a tee. They had the scale you have to measure everything else everything has to be according to the ratio that nutritionist gave you. So basically every meal has to have way more fat than it does protein and carbohydrates.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:05] Just to put it simply think of an expensive restaurant and they give you a little piece of meat and just leave it. Yeah.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:12] He's a potato and all a whole lot of this glob is just sitting there. That's what our son's meal was.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:20] Yeah. Daily basis is this pure madness.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:23] In fact the only thing he'd actually eat in abundance was pork rinds.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:28] get high in fat but low on it had no call. I've actually had no. Yeah. No nutritional value whatsoever. There hasn't.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:36] No carbs. But the fact that had no carbs and it had fat so he needed that for his brain.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:41] So if you're going to do this God bless.
Nina Simmons: [00:09:44] That's what I could say because it's rough. I mean if it works for us it didn't give him enough. It didn't help him actually. So I actually think it made him all the worse but it made him angry and it didn't.
Osiris Stephen: [00:09:57] Exactly. He was hungry. He was hungry because all the time he was extra food would take him to a barbecue and he's like why would you talk like this to bring me a barbecue. I can't have a burger. I can't have a hot dog. God forbid I could even have a sauerkraut. But you want me at this Bob. Yeah. So the bass has a kid.
Nina Simmons: [00:10:14] Yeah. It was rough. If it helped him like made him seizure free then yeah we would you be doing it right now.
Nina Simmons: [00:10:23] But it did it so it wasn't the sacrifice wasn't enough for us to continue so we did have a six month at the seventh a month we continue. There was just too hard but not to discourage anyone who's been to discourage anyone because some kids is life changing and if it is life changing that is totally worth it. For and it didn't really change the seizures much matter of fact I remember there was a day where oh Saturdays I like to give aid and cheat days on his keto diet whenever I get a chance.
Nina Simmons: [00:10:55] It was bad. He had fries and some banana chicken nuggets and actually he had less he is that day. So I was like okay so I guess what happened. I guess this diet isn't for him but we did everything and again like I said when you're desperate. For your child to get better we will try anything. And I'm not knocking his diet. It just didn't work for Aiden but it works for a lot of kids. But that's what I can say about a diet is everything.
Nina Simmons: [00:11:24] So currently now Ada is just basically on a well balanced diet. We do give him a lot of fat still avocados our olive oil this healthy fat fish oil. He knows. He studies the healthy fat for his brain. But what works best for Aiden is to eat everything as much as he wanted. That really was helping him not so much the ketogenic diet. So for him he was still very much so give him a lot of vegetables. We tried to buy organic as much as we can. He does eat me but we try to make sure that his grass fed is going to serve. Yes very expensive very expensive. We go to our butcher in Harlem to get a lot of his meats.
Nina Simmons: [00:12:16] But is it worth it to us.
Osiris Stephen: [00:12:18] Oh yeah. I mean not to take away from the cost that it would but I mean the benefits outweigh the costs as they would say.
Osiris Stephen: [00:12:26] It does take some patients it does it.
Osiris Stephen: [00:12:29] It involves you as a as a parent and as an individual especially when you take it for granted when you're going shopping you say oh I'm accustomed to getting this cousin that boy you know that you're looking for the most nutritional value wise meal you start to scrutinize every ingredient you look into it especially when you know that certain agreements can actually trigger the seizures. And one of the things that we picked out was that certain soy products and certain oil products in a let's say a bag of chips or in the food which is all what kind of triggers his seizures. We notice that exacerbated the seizures.
Nina Simmons: [00:13:09] And what was that one particular ingredient that we saw was a corn oil and was leche and we didn't let an aura of I mean you're pronouncing at lectern or like I said I don't see e i n I think it was a giant now. Am I pronouncing it correctly but there was soy latte deletion not so much triggered his teachers but interacted with the CBD or I was taking and it caused him to metabolize the CBD oil much faster. And in that he wasn't getting as much as he needed. So this is an end result he got seizures correct. Yeah. OK. So just watch out for some additives and new foods.
Osiris Stephen: [00:13:47] Yea but there was another ingredient too. There was another type of oil that we saw that we wanted to prevent because I mean it was levels in every bag of chips it was almost in every sunflower oil.
Nina Simmons: [00:13:58] Yes. I don't know sunflower oil is amazing.
Osiris Stephen: [00:14:02] Not bad for you but it's not the greatest when you combining with other oils. I mean this is a saturation.
Nina Simmons: [00:14:08] I don't know. So I know for as another thing that helps speed the metabolism up but I know some well some there were some articles that people say some file oil is good for use of that I can't I don't know a mix. I mean I mean we've been avoiding it with aid and we're only avoiding it with aid in it because it speeds what it does with it. It's not a good interaction with CBT. So I don't know how it is if you're not taking CBD that I don't know.
Osiris Stephen: [00:14:33] We don't know how it works anybody. So it's understandable childlike who's on CBD and it's safe to has a fast metabolism is all those things you've got to take in courses. So if you're a parent and you're have a child who's going through something especially as epilepsy and you're trying to figure out the meal plan because I know it's already a for some kids who you may be autistic and have seizures some of them don't like certain foods because of the way it tastes or because of the way the texture because Adam was like that for a while. There were certain textures he did not like meat was one of them so I had to grind it into his food his vegetables which he aid with no problem. So that was a thing that we had to figure out like how do we make sure he gets everything that he needs in his meals and the daily meals. But again like I said when you go shopping you know we take it for granted take things off the shelf that you're accustomed to having. But now we had to basically like micromanage the meals that we brought into us and make sure that it had some nutritional value and it did you know we will be using it because there are some foods that you know you have sit on the shelf and then you're going through other things. So all the meals that you prepare until you forget has been there for month to month. We must all rule now is that if it's been in the cabinet fast too much throw it out.
Osiris Stephen: [00:15:48] It just serves no purpose that the two must is just no point just throw it out and start fresh. And then same thing in a refrigerator has been dead three days four days it just has to go because everything needs to be using utilize at that time.
Osiris Stephen: [00:16:00] And I think that rule of thumb has been helping us and also keeps the food fresh in our home and also. Also keeps us healthy as well.
Nina Simmons: [00:16:09] For the most part now that Nina.
Osiris Stephen: [00:16:11] Taking that over we collaborate on like what is it we need so I'll do the inventory.
Osiris Stephen: [00:16:17] I'll let her know what's there and what we need and we keep it in the communication because it's so important especially with our work schedules and Aiden schedule in school so I say communication is important. And also documenting your meal plan. Oh that of meal plan. But if you are going to do a meal plan to document everything what your intake is especially to 2008 if you deal with a child because you you got to be able to identify where the hiccups may be if you start to see certain things. If you see the seizures are active more in a day or in the evening maybe it might have something with the food and maybe have since somebody with the like order. That was one of the things that we paid attention to was the water intake. You know for his age we had to figure well he had to take about 30 ounces. Now that he's older he needs 50 ounces of water daily. And we have to make sure that he does that it got to the point where reusing syringes chests may show we met those requirements because dehydration can trigger seizures overheating can trigger seizures constipation could trigger seizures. So for us we're like constantly on alert to make sure that all the things that he needs are being met. And where you work with your two working parents is a challenge. It is definitely one of those things that you just have to at least keep your thumb on and try to be consistent. There are going to be some days where you go slack. They let me some days where you miss out on and you will see it but try to keep consistent will help in the long run. What are your thoughts on that Nina.
Nina Simmons: [00:17:47] Yeah consistency is definitely the key and not giving up. Definitely take consideration to die. What they're taking in. But yeah just don't give up. And also when you're helping a child with food you're not gonna always see results right away. So I think that is it for this episode on a diet with Aiden. Yes. I think the next episode we're gonna change it up.
Osiris Stephen: [00:18:12] Really. Yeah. Boy. Well he wants say he's upset.
Nina Simmons: [00:18:16] I think we change it up.
Nina Simmons: [00:18:18] I think we're going to start talking about how cannabis has helped.
Osiris Stephen: [00:18:24] Us as a couple Well also we talk about your sexy voice on the radio I know because you just like.
Osiris Stephen: [00:18:30] We're just going to talk about cannabis and how it's gonna help us next week. I mean you know it's the I Have.
Nina Simmons: [00:18:38] Me this talk about this. I have a deep voice are there like a jazz voice Harlem jazz artist. So I speak in very different levels. I mean I try to hide my deep voice and I'm so but this is me either. And I have a very I'm like a tenor anyway so we're good. We talk about us and how cannabis has helped us as a couple because it is not easy when you're dealing with all this and how cannabis we use cannabis to help with some music. How's that our issues. Basically we have issues I don't know we had issues.
Nina Simmons: [00:19:19] Silence. So yeah. So tune in. We're communicating. I don't know. So we could tune in for next episode to hear something a little bit different and ask so much about it. And kind of devolve into and more into our lives in terms of how we used cannabis. So check it out. Chow chow.
Nina Simmons & Osiris Stephen: [00:19:43] Thanks for tuning in. Another episode of Love and cannabis. osiris stephen and I'm nina simmons and be strong and stay in power.
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