Dead And Company's Folsom Field concerts recap and stories about Bob Weir
Jim Marty: [00:00:33] Hello everybody. Jim Marty here for the. Cannabis show rebroadcast broadcast another weekly podcast about our adventures of being on the road and attending Grateful Dead and Phish shows and also talks about some of the social aspects of legalized marijuana.
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:52] How are you today Jim. Excellent. Well good.
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:55] It's Larry Michigan here calling in and I'm on my way to a phish show we could talk about that later. Let's see what everybody is waiting to hear from the cheese you gave us last week from the barn. There's lots going on. How were the shows of course field. I heard you had a little weather issue there one night.
Jim Marty: [00:01:10] Yeah we had a one hour rain delay. Crazy Colorado weather seemed like there was a cloud that came in right over the stadium. They opened up with Not Fade Away. So once again moving a second set closer to an opener as they did it really Larry. Great I love it when they do that. But. for better or worse due to adverse weather they actually moved the set break through the beginning of the show to you know the second song was cold rain and snow in the middle of cold rain and snow Bob was up at the sky and says we're going to be taking a short break due to inclement weather and the band got off the stage and they came over the P.A. is at least a shelter. The rain came down in buckets. The lightning was all around the stadium myself and about another 30 or 40 thousand other people crowded into what's called the field house. And the field houses athletic building connected to Possum stadium and it's big enough to have an indoor track. So it's a big building and as big as that building was it was still shoulder to shoulder in that building. But the good news was that spite of the rain and eventually hail the beer vendors kept selling beer. No one thought. And pretty much a full a full one hour break for the weather. And so they start up again after an hour break. The sun came out and the weather was fine after that. But they came out and they finished they started right in the middle where they left off on cold rain and snow and finished cold rain and snow and the whole stadium just broke up in laughter.
Larry Mishkin: [00:02:49] They were literally they say picked up right in the middle of the song right in the middle of cold rain and snow a bit and has a very decent him. Yeah and they did that in Chicago too once I was going to say then Bob comes to the microphone it was kind of like when you're on an airplane and a pilot comes on and says we're going to try to make up a little bit last time for you. So Bob comes up to the microphone and says I'm going to try to make up a little bit of time for you folks here tonight or we're just going to play straight through. And they did. They played the three hour show straight through and it was really a great great show you got to listen to the box of rain. I know you rioter was on fire. You got a chain account rider and the jams in between the verses of rider. They just broke into this tiny little Nashville jam and it was so tight on tape. and it's just a wonderful show. And I had a great time. And then the second night. was a solid performance as well. We've got a tariff. We got a high of the world and wonderful setlist. If you check out the setlist for both nights it was just solid. Good old Grateful Dead music lots of plastics. You've got a box of rain which I remember I predicted Box of Rain last Saturday in my barn.
Larry Mishkin: [00:04:07] Ok so Jim here's my question. This is the question on everybody's mind who's saying Box of Rain that Bob and John both sang together. So my take on that is kind of ballsy Don't you think to place Phil's signature song without him on stage but on the other hand I love that they're doing it. Yeah.
Jim Marty: [00:04:26] No I think it does. I don't think there's any kind of attention like that I think they all want to have their songs played and sung and there's plenty of Garcia Hunter songs that that encode does as well.
Larry Mishkin: [00:04:36] I get frustrated because I think that he spends too much time on Jerry students and babies just full of it. That's what I would love to see him play a complete weather reports. We just do that and the crowd went wild. Yeah yeah. You mean with the long intro. Have twice. Absolutely would be awesome. We've got a really good J reg show last night out on Northerly Island which is just off the coast of the shore of Lake Michigan. Do you have a view back with the skyline of the city and they came out and they really really put on a great show and I think they are definitely establishing themselves as the go to cover band that's out there right now. I love Shea red. I love it where the drums are OUTFRONT. Right. And last night he had the drummer from Wilco patchouli I forget his first name. Because you will cozy Chicago group. He came out to talk about out of order. They did a first set drum solo. This guy was sit there drumming with Joe Russo. They readjusted his foot so there would be room for this guy to sit there with them and throwing stones till the end of the first set. And it was fine. It was really really good. It came out the second set they really smoked. We had a beautiful night it was a lot of fun.
Jim Marty: [00:05:46] Excellent. That's why I love Jay read. He'll be playing red right here on August 4th and no doubt and that big drum set sounds so good at Red Rocks and it's just like this thunder coming off the stage. Absolutely. Let's talk a little bit about last week's show and your impressions of my friend Luke Lumley and his comments on the some of the social aspects. I guess one of the takeaways I had from his comments were that some of the concerns about young people teenagers smoking the concentrated products.
Larry Mishkin: [00:06:18] Yeah. And you know I'm glad you mentioned that because that's exactly what I want to talk about. You know we're at work and it's resting points in time right now. Right. Whereas the product keeps getting stronger and stronger and stronger and there's definitely a market for that. But you know when you talk about teenagers and right we've we've said this before.
Larry Mishkin: [00:06:36] Nobody advocates underage smoking at anything like that. But as a practical matter it happens that the stuff that the kids are getting access to these days is frighteningly strong. And when you combine that with the studies and Duke even mentioned it to talk about the effects on the developing brain up until the age of 25.
Larry Mishkin: [00:06:56] That kind of puts the industry in an interesting position right where on the one hand it wants to give its customers what they want. But on the other hand you know the goal is to have a little bit of flexibility in there so that we're not getting everybody so stoned they can't see straight.
Jim Marty: [00:07:11] Line. Right. The dabs in the concentrates can be very strong and I do. I mean I think it's a scientific fact that the human brain is not fully developed until age 25 and you can see a personality change in young people. My friends my son's friends who you know were grade 8th and 9th graders and then they really get into marijuana and they start to believe this is not any well and you know here's us Oh yeah.
Larry Mishkin: [00:07:41] We have proof of that too right. If you ever try and go rent a car you have to be 25 years old for a rental car company to rent you a car. And when you get your courage shirts and I know this because I've gone through it with three boys when you're 16 17 18 years old your insurance rates are off the charts. And finally when you hit the age of 25 or 26 they come back down in their normal again.
Jim Marty: [00:08:02] Right. Right now the good news that I have have something crossed my computer screen this week is that I think I might have shared it with you that the states with legal marijuana are actually seeing declining teen teen age. Yes. And one of the reasons for that is it's more difficult to buy marijuana you know when you buy go into a dispensary in Colorado you have to show your I.D. when you go in the door and you show it again at the cash register. So. And the state of Colorado runs sting operations just like they do on alcohol. So the dispensaries rock solid. They do not sell to anybody without a valid I.D. and the proper age. And it has put the drug dealers out of business. I have friends of mine who sold marijuana for decades and they said that this legal thing has really screwed everything up. I used to get four hundred dollars an ounce and never filed a tax return. Life was great. Now I can't sell any marijuana because you can buy six dollars joint at the dispensary.
Larry Mishkin: [00:09:05] Right. Well that's I guess the downside for some people of the direction that we're moving but for the rest of us it's a it's all good but I totally understand that and I get that. I agree that that's certainly a factor.
Larry Mishkin: [00:09:16] I think there's probably also a factor that teenage boys have never been too keen on doing anything that their moms enjoy doing as well so you probably have a little bit of a balance with that. But I think it's really imperative on the industry and I talk with my clients about this all the time that you know rather than just advertising hey we've got stuff that you know 99 percent or 98 percent THC but there's nothing wrong with you know promoting the lower THC level product and really making a point that think of letting people though. So we don't all have to go with to the right to the grocery store and buy what was called Everclear right. You know that's the highest risk proof alcohol there is. And hopefully we'll develop something similar with marijuana THC where it'll be more based on the taste and everything else if people feel indeed maxed out on that THC level.
Jim Marty: [00:10:10] Right. Then as you correctly pointed out. There are people in this world who do not have a stop on and that might be true for marijuana. And it's also true for alcohol. I don't think it's good to drink alcohol all day and I don't think it's especially good to be smoking one joint after another all day long either. While I agree with it much as the restoration is as much as the product is loved it really turns off employers when their employees and heavy use of yes. Oh for sure. So anyway so. But I thought do make some jokes that made some great points and he had some great stories to tell about how he came to sobriety and I really enjoyed our talks about the wharf rats and what a great organization they are.
Jim Marty: [00:10:50] So Well that wraps up last week but I was going to say again and I can't really say enough about where for it's not for me really to the hope that scene you know being exposed to it and everything that went on there and the idea that you know as far back as the 1980s that rebels were finding ways to go to enjoy the show without feeling the social pressure giving themselves a way to avoid the social pressure of having to be intoxicated. And it's a tremendous thing right. It's worked out really well and I think it speaks speaks volumes to these communities and fish and grateful that that while people certainly enjoy the things they enjoy they also know they're also smart about it and the people who know they need to take a break to take a break and there's groups still support them doing it.
Jim Marty: [00:11:35] Yes. I'll never forget the first time I was at Red Rocks might have been a widespread panic show and it said break. I saw the war France all holding hands and reciting the prayer to sing France. I forget exactly how that goes but give me the strength. Something like that. Exactly. One day at a time. Right. Doing it is great. Yeah. That's often great. Now musically we're going to move on to talk something about Bob Weir this podcast correct.
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:04] And therefore when we do that and this will just take a second. I do have to say it. And actually I'm encouraged by this because. We've got people listening. I got some feedback from some Deadheads last week when we were talking about Phil and one of the things that they said was we forgot to mention how gifted he was musically how he wrote you know symphony pieces that were performed by the Vienna Philharmonic. And I think the classical music that he was able to compose is that you know that all of a sudden he gave that up to become a psychedelic rocker who 80 years old is still going strong. So my dad had friends out there who were kind enough to both be listening and point that out to me. Thank you. Point made. Still it is a tremendous musical challenge but I think it's time to move on Bob. We are. Give me your thoughts first Jim.
Jim Marty: [00:12:55] So yeah. Just one quick comment on Phil yes so much of the time I call it rock and roll symphonies when they're wound up in a trip in another weather report suite. It's more than just a small thing it's a like a classical piece of music. Yeah. So moving on and talking about Bob I've been thinking about what to say because I haven't been seeing Bob Weir since 1979. It was my first Grateful Dead show. There's a wonderful documentary out there about Bob called the other one and he's saying now that it's very very good. It does tells a good story. And Bob goes to Robert Hunter Show and interviews him backstage right. Really cool documentary. And a lot of people talk about how his guitar playing. It really does not stand out in the mix either with the Grateful Dead or dead in company. But if he wasn't there you would miss it. And he kind of fills in the middle. So he's not playing the big single notes like John Mayer is right now which is John Mayer is filling the stadium with a single guitar note. But he's in the middle and he's filling it in your comments.
Larry Mishkin: [00:14:06] That's interesting that you say that you know for me which has always been the goofy guy right and he's the role that he fills in the Grateful Dead was in my opinion.
Larry Mishkin: [00:14:16] You know it's not that they didn't have important roles but you know just as important in Jerry he was the injuries yanked and right. He was Jerry was the kind of the stoic.
Larry Mishkin: [00:14:29] Psychedelic rocker who was up there and Bobby was playing to the crowd and trying to the teenybopper is almost you know sometimes it would almost be annoying. But yet at the same time it wouldn't be them without him. Sugar magnolias my favorite Grateful Dead song. You know he. He fills in so much of the truth is I was actually listening to the Grateful Dead station on Sunday when they do that Golden Road Show. And those guys were talking about that. You know Bobby doesn't really get enough credit for his guitar skills and that you know they were they were pointing out some of the songs like trying to get where he actually steps up and really fills some of the major roles. But I agree with your last statement Jeff that if he were not there. he would be missed just as much as Jerry is vast right now. But you know the little things he fills in wouldn't be there. He's a little frustrating for me sometimes I I'm I'm not a big fan of the Bobby of the wide open spaces and you know blue skies and the cowboy songs. But God bless him for doing what he wants to do. You know he doesn't need my permission. He's clearly got the talent that at this stage of his life it's like he's having a lot of fun.
Jim Marty: [00:15:34] You know now I myself really like the cowboy song. And as does Bob my love of Jack Straw and I'm really happy with the Blue Mountains that came out about a year ago. I love all those old cowboy songs and I think that set doesn't go by without at least one me and my uncle.
Larry Mishkin: [00:15:53] Yeah. I wasn't talking about those I was talking more about the new album that he did. And again it's not. it's not a dislike it's alleges it's just. And quite frankly I think it shows him growing and expanding as a musician that the next level. And you know somebody was asking me where do we think you know where would Jerry be had he still been alive 20 years down the road. You know what would he be playing what would you be doing and you know what. It's a great question but I could tell you this I never go to a show where Bobby's playing and neither have good.
Jim Marty: [00:16:21] Yeah. Yeah. And he does screw up the lyrics pretty good too. But that's what I listen carefully to the Folsom show. What was the song that I'm thinking that he was speaking. He was muffled and muffling up the lyrics in morning dew at the Folsom show. But you know I love him and he's great and he's he's kept this thing going at age 17 when he certainly doesn't have to do it. Phil doesn't have to do it they're all small smalltime multimillionaires. You know one of these shows we should talk about how the electronic music and the royalties is working in this day and age and how vast sums of money are piling up for artists because of every time one of their songs is played anywhere in the world they get a few pennies which adds up to millions and millions. That's true too.
Larry Mishkin: [00:17:09] So here's two interesting interesting things about Bobby and the cowboy song everyone at the shows at Wrigley Field in the second set. They were playing Meyerowitz right. He played it all the way through and then what it ended it kind of ended disjointed way and it wasn't quite sure where they were going or what they were going to do so they stopped playing from it and they talked about it. and then all of a sudden they came back up and they went back into the last verse of marmots right. and they played it through so that Bobby could end it the way he wanted to roll it into loft. And I've got to tell you what kind of a musician. who's been playing for 30 years. You know it's almost like having a rehearsal on stage it was wonderful. The crowd loved it and ate it up. And you know he wasn't satisfied. We went back and he took it the direction that he wanted. And here's an interesting statistic for you to think about. But the number one all prime song played by the Grateful Dead or their 30 years by a lot. Me and my uncle who played that song more than any other song. And like my 100 shows I hope you know.
Jim Marty: [00:18:12] Yeah. I've always had a musical miracle question about that. So in the end does he does he tell his uncle for the gods or do the other cowboys killed. I think it's him. Yes. It's not really clear and I've studied those lyrics in the Grateful Dead song. And it's not even clear when you read the letter. No it's not. But you know that's half the fun anyway. Yeah. So that's so good. I have a few good friends of mine are an uncle and a nephew. But. by a twist of fate there are only a few years apart in age. Well whenever we sing that song together like the uncle always says Yeah I really don't like the ending.
Larry Mishkin: [00:18:50] But that's right. You go watch out for that when you're doing that. Well listen I know we're almost out of time but I just you know have to let you know I'm I'm reliving a little bit of my youth. I'm in the car with my wife but two of my kids. And we're heading up to Alpine valley in East Troy Wisconsin a spot where I started as a dad more times than I could count. And we're heading up there cause this is starting a three day run tonight. So you know the family that goes to fish together always says he's the time. So we're heading up there to see it. And by this time next week we'll have more good fish stories to tell.
Jim Marty: [00:19:21] Yes. We're really looking forward to phish here in Colorado. Yeah. Alpine Valley is kind of like the red rocks of the Midwest. I've never been there but I've heard many good things about it.
Larry Mishkin: [00:19:31] You know it's it's really it's a beautiful place. And they transitioned up there in the mid 1980s and played there all the way almost to till 1988 and they just pull into you know Glen up there and play three four shows every summer. And you know you're in the middle of cornfields up and was transient. And there's this lovely place that in the wintertime that doubles as as a ski hill not much to ski down for the folks. You know we're used to real skiing out west but. people in the Midwest it's not too bad but it's got a lot of history this place system to great shows there in 2002 when the debt came back into their trip and family reunions. They did it at Alpine Valley and then on a beautiful day when the weather is nice like today. It's really wonderful. You could be up on the grass on the beautiful hill they have to be done in the pavilion. You can be everywhere and the sound is great the crowd has a lot of fun. And so looking forward to it. Yeah.
Jim Marty: [00:20:26] Well it does Alpine Valley have onsite camping.
Larry Mishkin: [00:20:29] You know that's funny we were talking about that because my son and his group were looking for a place to camp and all the camp sites nearby were sold out there after you know a little perseverance. They finally did locate a place. No you can no longer camp on the alpine valley grounds. However when we were seeing the dad there in the mid 80s you could camp people camped all over the alpine valley grounds literally they were set up like 25 feet away from the entrance to the show area. So somewhere along the way they decided they decided to stop at. a little known fact. There's also a large alpine valley has a line that probably has about 20 rooms. And so I've got some buddies of mine who were had enough foresight to go and grab some rooms up their sleeves bullets for the weekend.
Jim Marty: [00:21:12] And you never leave till Sunday night. That be great. I imagine those rooms sell out pretty quick. But a year to Dena.. Right.
Larry Mishkin: [00:21:18] You have to start. You have to be willing to kind of guess when you think you're going to be there. Take a rest take to cancel and then lock it up the room. Right.
Jim Marty: [00:21:26] Right. So well yeah we're looking forward to large pieces shows here in Denver at Dick's Sporting Goods and there is onsite camping at depths. I know you've told us a very interesting story how that right don't you go in there every year with a camp where and cancer.
Jim Marty: [00:21:41] Yeah. We take our RV and we plan on Friday and we leave on Labor Day Monday mornings. And yeah we're hooting and hollering all night long. It's fun. It's so fun because you come out of the show at eleven thirty or midnight and you have a few short steps to your RV and your. crack in a cold can of beer and ready to stay up until the sun comes up. That's awesome. It's funny my 21 year old son Jack last year was one of my goals dad this year even plays guitar and he brings us folk good time. I always stay up until the sun comes up playing music and we actually managed to accomplish that. Well that's wonderful. That's a nice thing. I heard sessions playing really really good pure psychedelic bliss.
Larry Mishkin: [00:22:23] Yeah well I'm excited. My older son is joining us. You saw the reports for a couple of nights at Fenway and you know it's funny because they had a similar event out there one night where they had a rain issue and they wound up just playing one line.
Jim Marty: [00:22:35] So yeah it's been quite a summer and we can't get a show on without the Rangers without that cold rain and hail.
Larry Mishkin: [00:22:41] I will we're we're looking we're hoping that's going to hold us tonight. But it should be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it. And we'll certainly have a lot to talk about next week both in terms of talking about this show that's coming up. Other things you have to add and then of course we always have more of the Grateful Dead stuff that we have never enough time to catch up on everything we want to talk about.
Jim Marty: [00:23:02] Very good. Well enjoy the show and we'll catch up with everybody next week and to all our audience. There's ways to review these podcasts online. Next week they'll have more detailed instructions on that.
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Larry Mishkin: [00:23:21] Everybody have a nice. Week.
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