MJBulls 0008 AutoCure: Joe Ducey 9/28/18

Joe Ducey: [00:00:02] Talking with the very large cultivators and North America this is a top priority of senior management to say look we have to automate this to give us a consistent product.

 Dan Humiston: [00:00:20] From Buminit media it's the MJ bulls podcast a show about raising cannabis capitol

 Dan Humiston: [00:00:29] I'm Dan Humiston. And on today's show how automating the drying and curing phase of cannabis production has eliminated the variables in that critical final step of the growth process.

 Dan Humiston: [00:00:45] Hey Joe thanks for being on the MJ bulls podcast.

 Joe Ducey: [00:00:48] You bet. Dan nice to be here.

Dan Humiston: [00:00:50] Hey we're talking to Joe Ducey about his company auto cure and its automatic curing unit. Joe let's start from the beginning and assume that our listeners have never been to a growth facility and they're not familiar with all the steps in the growing process. Can you give us just the 50000 foot view of all the different phases.

 Joe Ducey: [00:01:11] Yeah sure. So to go from a clone to ready to harvest is perhaps a three month process. Typically the way has been the pass is a cultivator will harvest and then they will hang dry for a period of time and that having dry process could be anywhere from seven to 14 days after that hang dry period has been completed. Then they will move to a curing process and typically in a commercial environment that curing process is the big five gallon buckets that they put the plant into.

 Dan Humiston: [00:01:46] Slowly walk backwards just a bit.plant Ok. OK. They cut the plant and then they have to dry it to get all the moisture out of it so they hang dry it then they stick this into a bucket a five gallon bucket to cure it. Yes. And during that phase they do something what's called burping. Can you explain that.

 Joe Ducey: [00:02:03] Ok. Yes so in the initial hang dry period. What the cultivator is doing is getting rid of the initial moisture in the plant. And once that process has been completed anywhere from seven to 14 days depending upon the cultivator the next process is a curing process. And what you're doing in the curing process is you're getting rid of that residual moisture that is in the blood. And what you're trying to do is gently draw out moisture while retaining the terpines and the THC and the CBD as well. That is in the flower. The gold standard for forever has been a glass mason jar. So what you're doing is you're putting that flower in this airtight container. The mason jar and you're letting it sit in a dark environment for a period of time and then you are taking it out of that dark environment and opening the jar and letting it breathe then bringing in a new atmosphere that has a lower relative humidity.

 Dan Humiston: [00:03:09] That's where they came up with the word burping.

 Joe Ducey: [00:03:11] Exactly.

 Dan Humiston: [00:03:12] Exactly like I got it.

 Dan Humiston: [00:03:17] So what can go wrong during this final phase of if.

 Joe Ducey: [00:03:21] You can wreck your entire crop.

 Dan Humiston: [00:03:23] So three months of growing all the expense and everything involved with everything could go out the window by messing something up with the final phases by introducing mold or all the other things that you've talked about. Could all go wrong in the final phase. Absolutely Dan.

 Dan Humiston: [00:03:38] So how does the auto cure automate the final process.

 Joe Ducey: [00:03:42] So every auto cure is an airtight chamber just like a glass mason jar. And they are made of black medical grade acrylic because acrylic is the closest thing we can get to glass without being glass and it's black. So no light gets in during the drying curing process and degrades the THC. Once the wet flower has been loaded into the airtight chamber the relative humidity begins to rise when it hits that threshold that will cure burp or events. OK. And it does so with two sets of fans one said that pushes air and once said The Pulles are and it uses a laminar airflow which means moving bottom to top end the course of seven 1/2 half to ten minutes. It completely pulls that moist atmosphere out of the chamber leaving no microclimates or dead spots and pulls in this new dryer. So the flower that's sitting in the front left hand corner of an outdoor chamber is getting the exact same atmosphere as a flower sitting in the back right hand.

 Dan Humiston: [00:04:51] I think about it in some of these large growth there are hundreds and hundreds of these buckets and you have to assign somebody to burp each one and occasionally.

 Joe Ducey: [00:05:02] Exactly. But don't sure does that or you automatically get your knows how much moisture is in the chamber at any given time and how often it's going to burn. So even if you're that person with 20 years of experience you're not going to know exactly when you're supposed to burb prevent you kind of do. But you don't know exactly only the flower knows exactly what it wants. This new atmosphere.

Dan Humiston: [00:05:34] director cultivation at a giant grow, If they're home and they want to see what's going on in it any of their grows what kind of options does the auto cure provide for them.

Joe Ducey: [00:05:43] Yeah great question Dan so I'm additionally mentioned or earlier I had mentioned how I think your logs each cure that's part of something we call the Aut0cloud. Another part of the autocloud is the ability for the cultivator to view what is going on inside their chamber graphically on their smartphone or their computer. So auto cure will show them a 48 hour trend. What's going on inside their chambers the top they'll see a graph of the temperature but on the bottom more importantly they will see a graph of the relative humidity. So they will see that graph going up and they'll see it hit that threshold that they have said and then they'll see it vents and then fall down dramatically and continue that process.

Dan Humiston: [00:06:32] So eventually all grows will move towards an automated process. What do you think.

 Joe Ducey: [00:06:39] Absolutely Dan in fact talking with the very large cultivators in North America this is a top priority of senior management to say look we have to automate this to give us a consistent product.

Dan Humiston: [00:06:56] Or a product like this is really interesting to investors but it's especially interested to investors. If there were some patents where are you in that process.

 Joe Ducey: [00:07:05] We have filed comprehensive patents covering everything with here and we filed those over a year and a half ago. We have a very good patent attorney who says we should be hearing within the next 60 days or so. So we're very optimistic that most if not all of those patents will be granted.

Dan Humiston: [00:07:22] Wow. Tell us a little bit more about your company . How old is it. How many different units do you have. How many units have you sold.

 Joe Ducey: [00:07:30] The initial concept for auto cure started almost five years ago when my son Cole had the idea for he's spent some time prototyping. And then the software started being developed probably four years ago or so and in that time frame we have about 80 customer.

 Dan Humiston: [00:07:53] So you're obviously growing and you're scaling up yet. Where do you intend to take out a cure and say let the next 2 years.

 Joe Ducey: [00:08:00] Well we're going to concentrate primarily on the commercial market at this time. The larger grows right now because frankly that's where the money is. Yeah and they have a huge need for that because once you're cultivating on a very large scale like the  in Canada or in the U.S. if you don't automate this process there's no way you can keep up with that volume.

 Dan Humiston: [00:08:24] You know our listeners love Cannabis ancillary products that don't touch the plant. Yeah right. And especially the ones that are already in the field.  to fuel your expansion you need capital I'm assuming. So what type of investment opportunities are you offering investors to be part of the AutoCure team.

Joe Ducey: [00:08:40] Well it's not getting into details right now for us. We were open to equity investment with the right investor.

 Dan Humiston: [00:08:48] So if an investor is interested and they should contact you would that be the best way to do it.

 Joe Ducey: [00:08:53] Okay. Yeah. The best initial contact point Joe@autocure.us.

Dan Humiston: [00:08:58] That's your email address.

 Dan Humiston: [00:09:00] That's correct. And if you want to find out more information about auto cure or are there investment opportunities you can go to the MJ bulls website we have everything on it. Mj Web site and of course like I said you can contact you directly at joe@autocure.us, Joe super informative show probably the most informative show we've had so far. Thank you for sharing your story with us today.

 Joe Ducey: [00:09:22] My pleasure Dan really enjoyed being with you.

 Dan Humiston: [00:09:24] Well good luck.

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